Then, he died, and was training in the After-life and I'm pretty sure they lack Gravity Chambers there. He attacked Dodoria with a chi blast, thinking it killed him, then was shocked when the dust settled and Dodoria was unharmed. That also needs to be taken into account when Nail's statement about Piccolo's power comes up. Ten doesn't have either of theseAnswer:What they meant is that a z-warrior, a martial artist like them doesn't need a master all the time to improve a lot.They are grown men and they are smart enough to do it by themselves, that's why Ten said he couldn’t surpass Goku by doing the same training as him and that all he could do was quickly grasp just the point of his training and finally uniquely refine his techniques. !MFG dumb old theory:Because they received both new and more intense training during this part of the storyAnswer:WOW you are definitely naturally retarded!!!!!!!!!!!!! Question. To get to 1,500,000, he'd have to increase his power by 500,000.Answer:Are you fucking retarded??? Yes, in more than one source. achieved power levels above Nail.Do you maggots understand? Piccolo didn't have incredible training conditions and still he managed to improve so many millions. Koyama: Well, he is the strongest Earthling male. He also had others there with him. In the three years before the Cyborgs he was training Gohan. Krillin has a better move set, but Tien has more sheer power. Plus, Goku ssj was a lot stronger than base Piccolo when they trained together. Chazou is also strong … 1) The power level ratings always list Tien's as being higher than Krillin's. You could argue this makes tien the stronger of the two by the time buu appears but there is really nothing to confirm this. !Actually,it is the only way to understand the story,surprise surprise,goku trained on room of spirit and time (who has a gravity level of 50) in db and he got almost nothing.I guess rosat(room of spirit and time) didn't have extreme conditions there and gravity 50 is less than 10.lol Next you will say that gravity chamber is better. Content. He also had tougher training with Kaio for 266 days, so his training was totally different from Goku's and not comparable. Not to be mean but how are Toriyamas statements not relevant. Or does he think he can keep up without even finishing the 100,000 range? With orginal Japanese words such as:"I…I’m astonished…I d…don’t know how you trained, but you’ve acquired an unbelievable amount of power…. Even going back further Android-Buu sagas aswell. They kind of put Tien in the same pot but he was able to do some stuff through the story, like keeping Cell down to buy them some time. i think krillin has more skill, but tien is stronger. Besides, you are missing the entire point. - Dragon Ball Wiki. Among Dragon Ball Z fans, there's a pretty fierce debate over whether Krillin is actually stronger than Tien. Krillin has been said to be stronger than Tien. And Vegeta, taking advantage of training in high Gravity, increased his power level by the millions. Krillin at least fought 2 guys on the same level as 18 and defeated them. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. He attacked Dodoria with a chi blast, thinking it killed him, then was shocked when the dust settled and Dodoria was unharmed. Krillin, Tien, Piccolo, Roshi, Yamcha, etc. Tien may be more powerful, but Krillin has held his own against the likes of Piccolo, Garlic Jr, Vegeta and Frieza while stalling until Goku arrived. This is to be expected though as he is human and he has far less experience compared to Master Roshi (though we don't find out he is still really strong until Super). 'DWTS' crowns new champion and viewers are not happy I do believe that Krillin is stronger than both of them, though. Hailthe king. Toriyama: Ah, that’s right. No one that weak would be strong enough to be slapped around that much.Goku was kicking the shit out of 19 before he absorbed anything. SSJ Goku would've wasted 19 in a matter of seconds, seriously. It's obvious that Tenshin got at least a third of an increase as all the hardcore saiyans and nameks got.He'd keep on breaking his human limits as he did as early as dragonball time. Roshi admits it's only because he had the height advantage that he won, because Goku was a lot stronger than Roshi. Follow me on Twitter- Thundershot75. 17 is also often brought up in this debate, too. ?lolYou fail, kami is gone, piccolo’s personality is in charge now,and he is not going to make kind suggestions.Owned again!!!!!!!!!!!!! Goku/Vegeta abused Zenkai's and gravity training and Piccolo took advantage of Nails fusion. EVERYTHING in a story is dictated by plot, but that doesn't mean the story doesn't also add reason along with it. This didn't stop him from training and showing up for the Androids after feeling Freeza's supressed power level who was certainly above 3 millions.Tenshinhan got harder training from Kaio, and was there for way longer than Goku. Kneel down and kiss the wilson pro staff!!!!! Each energy attack in Dragon Ball uses a proportionally-fixed amount of the user's "ki". What about that Destructo Disk?, that thing was/is insane!. Explore Wikis; Community Central; Start a Wiki; Search This wiki This wiki All wikis | Sign In Don't have an account? This has been a debate I've seen so many times throughout the years from the Dragon Ball franchise. Akira Toriyama stated that Krillin is stronger but this is a huge plot hole because Krillin has no feats on his side. Considering Nail didn't ever bring anything about Namekian heritage or any other Nameks into the equation as he talked to Piccolo, it's a HUGE and retarded assumption to think he's comparing his battle power to them. This all also happened after Nail sensed the power of Captain Ginyu.Now lets consider that Ten was on King kai 260 days,254 days more then Piccolo,that makes his Pl after king kai rather VERY high.Considering piccolo progression during those 3 years and the fast pace everyone increased in dbz like in the sayan saga or just the fact that 158 days on Kaiô-sama's planet=several thousand years of training on Earth it is possible that piccolo surpassed nail.Remember if there isn't a quote saying that Piccolo fought like a ssj against c-20 everyone would say that piccolo had a pl around 12.000.000 using your biased retarded logic.Dbz logic is quite different.Dumb MFG old theory:Gravity isn't the only way but it helps immensely. Santiago. Cookies help us deliver our Services. In fact, this is probably one of the biggest debates among fans today. Nobody ever really doubts that. Ultimately tien and krillin are probably comparable in the same way goku and vegeta are more or less comparable at this point.As for 17 and 18- I think they are not included in the l earthling strength debate because their power comes from cybernetic upgrades and not skill/training/ki control. When it comes to battle, the most important thing is ki size, and its control. Tenshinhan trained on this awesome planet for 266 days(more than 6 months) after doing a lot more in 6 months on earth than goku in 8 years.So just imagine what he did while receiving more intense training than the Saiyan and staying longer than goku in that planet.Cell was not obviously caught off guardCell is talking to #18, then suddenly senses a massive power above him. Goku wouldn't have gotten as powerful in the 7 years of peace if not for Kaio-sama's aid. Considering Nail didn't ever bring anything about Namekian heritage or any other Nameks into the equation as he talked to Piccolo, it's a HUGE and retarded assumption to think he's comparing his battle power to them. I think Tien is probably stronger, but Krillin is more agile. If Krillin were able to use it, it would probably be stronger. Who is stronger, Krillin or Tien? I think Tien was a fair bit ahead of the other earthlings, but behind the Base Saiyans. !Dumb MFG old theory:Goku didn't do much better during the 3 years he traveled the world between 21st and 22nd tournament. According to their retarded logic.Goku should have 40.000 after his training with Kaioh-Sama(king Kai). That is, once again, just going by the logic established in the series and ignoring Toriyama 's typical haphazardness.Answer:Are you fucking retarded?????? Krillin could lift him and his 500pound boulder using a single finger. With Kaio, he had longer and harder training than Goku, so Tenshin being in the millions it is a Fact.In dragonball, it was shown that he's equivalent to goku in power gains.Tenshinhan always trains hard,and he still invents new things and find new methods to get stronger. It's Tien charging the N-Kikoho!! !Despite having reflexes in the billionths of a second range, Cell is surprised so badly by Tien that he stands still as Tien cries out Shin Kikoho, and then is smashed into a hole by the attack!After being smashed into the hole, Cell gets up and eyes his opponent with an evil look. Frieza saga Krillin > Tien,Cell saga Tien > Krillins and Buu saga onwards Krillin > Tien for being on more than 10 panels. Yamcha was either busy getting blown up, impaled, or having his leg broken to do anything and all krillin ever did was babysit. re: The strongest human:Krillin or Tien? Tien was even victorious in his fight with the heroes, breaking Yamcha's leg and eventually defeating Goku in the final match. like Goku not improving nothing when he trained in DB. In the Dragon Ball Tenka’ichi Densetsu TV guide, Akira Toriyama comments that Kuririn is the strongest male earthling. !The only plot is that everytime the z-senshi train for a big battle their pl's increase a lot.That training show us that everyone starts to improve faster than ever.Why?Because, the enemies got stronger,db ridiculous small increases are not a reference anymore,so with new powerful enemies,new big improvements.You need sleep. I think in the Android Saga: Yamcha is stronger than Oozaru Saiyan Saga Vegeta but weaker than 1st Form Frieza, same goes for Krillin. There are people on both sides, but the general consensus is that Krillin is the strongest human. !MFG dumb old theory:Goku didn't abandon Gravity training, he just never had the opportunity to take advantage of it again or had something better at his disposal. I think that it was through turning ki into formidable power that Goku drew closer to being the strongest warrior in the universe. As such, Cell realizes that Tien will continue to strike for multiple attacks. They both failed equally hard. It happened. Add new page. Santiago. lolPlus,Gohan is put in the same category (None of you can beat the Android) as Tenshinhan by Piccolo. It’s just a very powerful attack, that like all ki attacks if it is used too much will be detrimental to your health.Again you have been taken apart!!!!!obliterated!!!!!!! Some scumbags will say that "goku a sayajin only managed to achieve 8.000 before. Ultimately tien and krillin are probably comparable in the same way goku and vegeta are more or less comparable at this point. Of course, “ki” also includes such spiritual power as energy/vigor [genki] and bravery [yuuki], and being in one’s right mind [shouki] (note 11). Yeah, Krillin's timid nature is a good possibility, but bear in mind that there is indeed prove that by Toei, both Tien Yamcha are portrayed as stronger than Krillin. Tien at least has the feat of pushing Cell back with a Tri-Beam. Posted by. We don't even know if #19 and Gero were stronger the Freeza and odds are they aren't.Answer:OMFG it is a fact that A-20 and A-19 were the original main androids,but Toriyama's editor asked for a new ones and Toriyama made A-17 and A-18,so the odds say that they were stronger than Freeza 100%.And no,i already explained you the issues with gravity and the general progresses everyone did training for the sayajins.Yes,krillin's statement proves that piccolo was in a ssj level.If you choose to ignore it,because disproves your theory that is another story.Piccolo going from over 1,000,000 to the Super Saiyan-tier (100,000,000+?) !Actually it is crucial and clearly proves that Toriyama wasn't thinking about gravity as the only way to improveor else Toriyama wouldn't make a mistake like that.Worse, vegeta was training in 150 after mastering 300 in those 7 years.Meaning that when Goku trained at 10x earths gravity (and mastered it) on Kaio's planet, his base powerlevel went up to "over 8.000". Krillin & Tien say to each other "Hey Tien. in both, heroes become strong enough to face the villains,simply,now the enemies are stronger,therefore everyone needs to improve faster than before. Believing Tiens first strike to be his last, he utters the words "Damn You" before a second strike smashes him yet again!By now, anyone with half a brain(let alone someone with the intelligence of Piccolo) would have realized this could continue for a while. And of course "Plot" shows Tenshin became that strong.The fact that I've shown Tenshinhan canonically exceeds natural gains, even when at a disadvantage, shows he can make great gains regardless. The main Z warriors are relatively strong to be useful in the different arcs. Games Movies TV Video. No one knows. don't be an idiot, even in Dragonball Krillin did better against Tien than Yamcha. We've only been told his potential, not much else was shown of him towards the end of the manga. You should be used to it by now.lolDumb MFG memberThey had different training. out of everyone who is all human,(besides Uub who is a reincarnation of buu)Krillin is probably the strongest. In the past, it was clear that Roshi had been surpassed by Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, and even Chiaotzu, but this may no longer be true.If he's stronger than Tien, there's a good chance that he could defeat Yamcha and Krillin as well. And during those 3 years the only guy using gravity is vegeta. That's more than Android 16 and Android 18 did, as he completely no selled their attacks. Answer:Everytime Z-heroes train to fight they gain huge boosts. Or Future Trunks being implied to get over 50x stronger in three years with no partners and regular Earth conditions.Trunks claims after 3 years has gone he is stronger than Gohan, so Trunks in base and SSJ have become more than 50x stronger during those 3 years. Just look at the facts. KURIRIN (Mayumi Tanaka)The strongest Earthling warrior, who became a pupil of Kame-Sen’nin’s with Goku, and who has fought together with him in numerous life-or-death battles. He had to fight against Tien in the finals and lost against him. This point isn't any different--and actually makes sense considering he had 3 years to prepare.Tenshinhan doesn't even needs sparring partners,cos he can split in 4 bodies getting stronger training on his own. Tien didn't. Although Toriyama said that Krillin is the strongest pure earthling, Tien is actually stronger overall and is part alien (3 eyed race). These 40-tons are ridiculous for obvious reasons.In daizenshuu 7 Page 119"Just, there cannot have a big difference between the base fighting potential and his original base (powerlevel)to use it , and if the fighter persists in carrying out a very powerful kaioken his body can explode under the effect of a powerful energy discharge.For the one whose fighting potential reaches 8.000 the limits to use safely kaioken must be the double, that is to say 16.000.For the one who has a potential of 3.000.000 kaioken canincrease his powerlevel ten more times "The text about kaioken also states that kaioken uses life forceFrench daizenshuu also states that neo kikoho is a stronger version from kikoho.But, above you could read that if you use an attack with life force and your power level is too low,your body will explode.Regarding daizenshuu is clear to me that this text suggests that Tenshinhan had a power level in the millions.It clearly states that your body can explodeif you use an attack who is a lot stronger than your base power levelex:Goku to use safely his kaio ken x 10 had to reach 3 millions.So shin kikoho is a lot more powerful than kaioh ken x 10 or 20 and if Ten's body didn't explode it is obvious thathe had a pl in the millions.Dumb MFG old theory:But Piccolo's power is most definitely due to the Nail fusion. He is at least stronger than Tenshinhan during the Cell Games, and most likely the entire android arc as well. Explore Wikis; Community Central; Start a Wiki; Search This wiki This wiki All wikis | Sign In Don't have an account? !MFG dumb old theory:the Kikoho is a unique technique that does so at such an alarming rate, it is dangerous to the users health.DBZ fan:Fucking dumbass, if Goku spammed 20 kamehameha's he would collapse also.Keep throwing this nonsense at me, and I'll keep taking you outta the park like Pujols!!!!!!!!! Plot for sayajins? He was easily above Ginyu by the time the Trunks saga arrives. He was being slowed down, but he was still powerful. There's not question that the Nail fusion did wonders for his power. It is funny when humans improve more and faster than Goku in Kami's lookout in a short period of time you say, This scan from the Daizenshuu states that. ?lolYou just got your dumb theory destroyed, logically gravity wasn't an issue,plus vegeta was training in 150 after mastering 300 in those 7 years.Vegeta is the only one using gravity,because he is the only character at the time who can surpass goku.You got obliterated put back together so I could obliterate you again!!!!!!!!!!!! You can't sit there and look at Goku or Piccolo's increases and say that Ten probably made the same advancements.Answer:Piccolo didn't use extreme gravity training ever.What destroyed the humans was ssj transformation and piccolo's fusion with kami.That's why Ten didn't accept to train in the rosat(room of spirit and time),but he accepted to train for the android saga and obviously he was confident that he could be useful.What same advancements?I'm saying that if piccolo improved 100 millions without fusions or gravity why couldn't Tenshinhan improve 20 millions?MFG dumb old theory:Without Nail or Kami he probably would be hard pressed to do so. Yep yep! Tien is stronger. He could easily be hurt from the attack, also note how there is smoke coming from his body.SK It doesn't drain life force, that was a viz mistake. 42 / Chp. However,this also shows how Krillin was scared to fight the Androids, not intelligently holding back to use Senzu's or whatever that … Yamcha was either busy getting blown up, impaled, or having his leg broken to do anything and all krillin ever did was babysit. Gravity is the reason Vegeta gained SSJ2 during the 7 years of peace. (Namekian Fusion, Zenkai's, SSJ forms)Answer:Not again dumbass!!!!!! Krillin is in supar far stronger than Tien, hell Tien didnt even have a hand to hand combat in the whole tournement. Probably, it would be something like we saw when Krillin fought Goku when he was recruiting him for the Tournament. Going by points, Piccolo gained an unbelievable amount of them meaning that he went from 1 million to over or equal to 150 millions. Seriously, Krillin being stronger is such a cop out and it doesn't make sense. He can be a namek, super namek, whatever--but increasing 150 millions is a ton. 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